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| prastell | Nietzsche Redux | 0 | Mar 1 2007, 8:09 PM EST by prastell | ||
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“This creator (of language) only designates the relations of things to men, and for expressing these relations he lays hold of the boldest metaphors.” Pg. 82
Nietzsche asserts that language can offer us nothing in the way of “pure truth”. It’s difficult to argue against the first part of this and thus argue for the genesis of language and language as anything more than an imperfect instrument to augment our feeble understanding of the world around us. Nietzsche argues that because of the layers of metaphors necessary to translate our experience, we can never know the essence of things we seek to define: “and yet we possess nothing but metaphors for these things—metaphors which correspond in no way to the original entities.” Pg. 83 If we possess nothing but the metaphors, in what sense do we even possess these metaphors? In our own idea space? If Nietzsche sees words as arbitrary and useless measures of things that they cannot adequately measure, does he then argue that it is pointless to engage in what many philosophers have done or what we as humans in general do, or both? It would seem from Wednesday’s class that he is against what we do in general as reality can tell us nothing due to the cascading and metaphorical nature of our understanding. Another point from class that I thought was interesting was the necessity of the binary. In the same way children first learn binaries such as black and white, good and evil and then as the complexities of life present themselves, learn there is in fact some gray area, and this seeming contradiction may or may not present problems in the future, Nietzcshe is forced to adopt the binary to undo it and therefore never really undoes it. It just seems almost too problematic as it’s self-defeating to use something to understand reality better if the instrument you use is in fact a broken lens. |
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| SamiraThomas | Nietzsche | 0 | Mar 1 2007, 6:06 PM EST by SamiraThomas | ||
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Nietzsche's "On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense", and one of the things that struck me is that he is very passionately arguing that Truth cannot be "man's" ultimate goal as we delight and are so good at Lying.
(P 80: "Deception, flattering, lying, deluding...is so much the rule and the law among men that there is almost nothing which is less comprehensible than how an honest and pure drive for truth could have arisen among them.") But, as I think I heard in lecture on Wednesday, Nietzsche seems to believe in understanding concepts through opposition (like what we saw in Benveniste with knowing "I" only through "you"). So, isn't this fascination that we have for a lie, "So long as it is able to deceive without injuring" (P90) merely another expression of our desire to know Truth? Another question I was thinking of raising was in relation to "Thus it is we who impress ourselves in this way. In conjunction with this it of course follows that the artistic process of metaphor formation with which every sensation begins in us already presupposes these forms and thus occurs within them." He is alluding to the fact that we impress ourselves by creating something (intellectually) and then 'discovering' it sometime later. On P85 he uses the example of a camel and our definition of a mammal. Aren't these definitions that we give to things (especially things in science, for example: things that we do not control as humans, but that we can observe) based purely on observation rather than on us creating something (like religion, for example) and then looking for proofs. Or in other words, aren't some of these observations on pre-existing phenomenon, instead of intellect created notions, and if so, how can we create a metaphor of something that was pre-existing? Would these observations not be legitimate and not "a truth of limited value"? |
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